Wednesday, August 7, 2024

Amazing Analysis of Huawei Kirin 9000S SoC | PavlecomIT | Pavlecom

Huawei Kirin 9000S  (el. microscope forensic)

The chip is technically incredible. The performance and power consumption profile in a variety of tests bring it on par with 1 to 2-year-old Qualcomm chips (S888 & S8G1). The RF side of the chip is amazing, using an integrated modem that is on par with Qualcomm’s current best. 

The most shocking finding is that when direct comparisons are done on identical IP, the Arm A510 for Huawei’s Kirin 9000S built on SMIC’s N+2 (7nm) and 2022 Qualcomm’s S8G1 built on Samsung’s 4LPX (4nm) process. The performance and power consumption of the Arm A510 cores are effectively on par with each other despite the process technology gap,

indicating SMIC N+2 (7nm) is better than most in the west realize. Part of the reason these chips are so close to each other is Samsung’s poor yield and SMIC’s good yield.

Put simply, Kirin 9000S is a better designed chip than the West realizes. It has solid power and performance. Even with the lackluster export controls, this is a leading edge chip that would be near the front of the pack in 2021, yet was done with no access to EUV, no access to cutting edge US IP, and intentionally hampered. We cannot overstate how scary this is.




P.S. SemiAnalysis expertise (el. microscope forensic) do not include a little secret "Magic Bullet" in 9000S, a HyperTreading option of overall boost of ~25% (a 50% cpu boost with use of only 20% more power) & amazing multitasking.

That "Magic Bullet" brings 9000S on par with SD8gen2 in certain circumstances. But, that option needs to be included in the OS engine and in app, to show full use.

It was included, for expl. in the game Honor of Kings, and result is on par with SD8gen2.

        Hyper-Threading in action ...



CPU Throttling Test - 9000S - 30 min / 100 threads - 272.000 GiPS  vid  vid
CPU Throttling Test - 23 Ultra SD8gen2 - 15 min / 100 threads - 269.000 GiPS

If the CPU Throttling Test app have a Hyper-Threading enabling option, 9000S wil have 4 CPUs more, and result will be 30 - 50% better!



        !! 7nm = 4nm ...



CPU Throttling & Performance test vs. 24Ultra SD8Gen3 (on par after 20 min)  vid   vid   vid

CPU Throttling Test - S24 Ultra & X7 Ultra  SD8gen3 - 60 min / 100 threads - 389.000 GiPS  &  360.000 GiPS

Moreover, SD8sGen3 - 290.000  &  SD8gen2 with same result, Xiaomi Civi 4 Pro & OnePlus 12r   link


* Release date of 9000S is aug. 2023.


No1 in may 2023  SD8gen2



No1 in jan. 2023   SD8gen2



No1 in jan. 2022   SD8gen1




** All of that, with a DUV 7nm, is insane bravura of engineering, SoC performance on par with EUV 4nm, are really scary & as SemiAnalysis also said, it shows an excellent yield rate.

*** The final cost of SoC is only ~20% more then the EUV production, note, lithography part is only a 30% of overall cost of the final SoC.

Consume power per one pass: DUV - 300W,  EUV - 500W,  NX-EUV - 1KW.



🏆 Unofficial score of 9000S with HyperThreading & GPU included:

       12 cores


[Appendix]

TechanaLye, a Japanese reverse engineering company, estimated SMIC to be 3 years behind TSMC in technology advancement, after comparing Huawei's Kirin 9010 (SMIC 7nm) with its Kirin 9000 (5nm TSMC). The area of SMIC's 7nm mass-produced chip is 118.4 square millimeters, while TSMC's 5nm chip is 107.8 square millimeters; less than 10% area difference, but the processing performance is basically the same.

SMIC uses a 7nm process to achieve the same performance as TSMC’s 5nm process has a huge impact.  link  link


TSMC 5nm Kirin 9000 vs. SMIC 7nm Kirin 9010  (el. microscope)

The everyone are stunning that SMIC was able to even release a 7nm chip, but to be that good as TSMC 5 nm performance is speechless ! They're even on par with SD8gen2 4nm S23 Ultra, unbelievable !

7nm vs 5nm perfomance


Extra:  DUV takes around 34 steps in processing whereas, EUV completes the chip fabrication in just 9 steps. It has a light wavelength of 13.5nm which is 14 times less than DUV. With outdated equipment, it is difficult to achieve next-level chip performance.

After SAQP patent, (3nm), Huawei & SMEE (Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment) filed a new EUV patent. It is entitled “extreme ultraviolet [EUV] radiation generators and lithography equipment”.



In awaiting of .. 



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[Edit]  22.08.2224.  &   02.09.'24.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023

Briefly - Huawei Mate 60 Pro - Best Features | Pavlecom | PavlecomIT

To briefly sum up: Only a year ago Mate 50 was the 1st phone with 1 mil points antutu score ( 8+ gen 1   4nm ). Now, the score is 1,23 mil (on par 8 gen2  4nm) with Mate 60, but with 5G. Kirin 9000s 7nm N+2, is less then 1 year in lag. Mate 60 pro 90% CN parts & non US parts. Camera launch, 60% faster, charging speed 15 min 62%, 30 min 100%. OFILM camera moduls, Xmage Camera, stunning night video quality.  vid


Exclusivities in Mate 60 pro:

1.) 12-core CPU in SoC ( soft. unlocked, chip use a new material based on carbon nanotubes ) vid
2.) Hyper-Threading in cpu's, like PC chip ( impressive multitasking, improves overall performance by 21% ) - vid
3.) Satellite Calls ( separate chip with antennas, 200 min - $25, working on plane, 3x satellites covers whole planet )
4.) NearLink ( 6x better than Bluetooth, latency 0,03ms, 60% less energy consuming, 2x distance, 2x stability ) vid
5.) Kunlun Nano Glass gen 2 ( 100% stronger then gen 1, only one with 5 stars SGS swiss certificate ) - drop test vid  vid
6.) 5G ( Baron 1st full-frequency modem, 5.5G ready, any G any country ) vid
7.) No-Code Payment method - vid
8.) New Black Tortoise body architecture ( all-metal-body - ultra-tough basalt body 10x stronger than old one ) - extreme test vid  vid

1.2.3.4.6.7. - 1st in the World  🏆


* The whole 10 sec is better then P60 in the opening of 30 app test, and have the better battery life then P60 (8+ gen1 4nm).
Maximum download speed 1205.57Mbps and an upload speed of 877.14Mbps. ( 5G speed test vs iPhone 15 Pro, 5x faster vid )

Cost: 1566 days - Huawei spent over $63bl in the past 3 years in R&D, and invested in over 100 semi corp. in China, for now.

Prediction: Next is the Kirin 9100, score 1,6+ mil points, inside P70 & Mate 70, after that, in 2025, Huawei will have patent protected EUV, China will have 70% semi self sufficiency.

Curiosity: Mount Everest have 5G, China Space Station have 5G++ ( speed 1,6Gbs ), 6x China Satellites 6G for testing is in the Orbit right now.

China is a far far ahead, Cheaper Better Faster.

** When you buy the Mate 60 RS, you will also get a series of exclusive privileges Including lawyer consultation, equestrian lessons, skiing, golf driving range, tennis lessons, airport VIP lounge and so on.



Extra:

Kirin AnTuTu Score  vid

Walnut Vs. Mate 60 pro  vid

Macro mode Mate 60 RS  vid

Camera Zoom  vid  vid

NearLink explained  vid

5G speed test vs iPhone 15 Pro (5x faster)  vid

Hands-On speed test vs. 4nm SD8gen2 & 3nm A17  vid

CPU Throttling & Performance test vs. 24Ultra SD8Gen3 (on par after 20 min)  vid  & 23Ultra SD8Gen2  vid

Hyper-Threading - Real Score test (SMT boost performance 50%) (at the end of the video)  vid

ALL Secrets of 7nm & Mate 60 Pro  vid


00:00 - Throttling CPU Test vs S23 Ultra
3:46   - Unofficial AnTuTu Score, Multitasking
5:27   - 5G test vs 15 Pro Max, 5x Faster
6:04   - Drop, Water, Brutal 100km/h Test
8:24   - XMAGE, Focus, Zoom
9:50   - OS NEXT, No-Code pay, Prod Recogn
11:50 - Satellite Calls, NearLink
12:18 - New - Nova Fold, Pura 70, Mate XT



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Afterthoughts:

Apparently it's not the preliminary result & they deliberately not shown the GPU score, therefore we can assume it will be more surprises like a CPU 12-cores unlocking. 

Maybe, there will be the same software like unlocking of GPU Maleoon 910. So, the final result can be much higher than 1236098. 🏆

Same goes for the 5G Baron modern, 5.5G ready.

However, it's a synergy of extraordinary design, excellent materials and new technique of production, and that's the real score by my opinion.



Uups, a little about OS:

Harmony OS is an All OS structure, which means it works with all other OSes and on all devices. When a developer creates his application, he creates it once, and it immediately works on all devices, TV, watch, mobile, etc. One time Developing model. 🔥

One of the last novelty of the OS v4.0 is e.g. Cross-Screen, option of sharing the screen on up to 6 devices at the same time, without delay. 🏆

Moreover, Harmony OS has now more than 100 million lines of code.. for comparison, Win 11 has between 60 and 80 and Android about 13 million. It's obviously ready for the PC version too! 🔥

History of development - 5 mil lines of code - v3.0  26 mil - v4.0  100 mil.

Android itself has about 30% of Huawei contributed code, developed while they cooperated together. Since they parted away, Android has visibly stagnated in its development, which we can attribute to Huawei's non-participation in it.  ✔


New Harmony OS Next is a non Android OS, all lines of code are removed and result is 20% more overall speed & performance.


During the HDC 2024 event, the Chairman of Huawei Consumer Business Yu Chengdong said HarmonyOS exceeded 900+ million installations with 2.54 million developers.  .. far ahead indeed.


.. update Feb & Oct 2024

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